Robin

Filename: conversation w_ sands and robin by radna 24 July 2020 (unedited) .WAV
Date: July 24, 2020
Duration: 02:12:07
Speakers: Robin Wassink-Murray, Radna Rumping, Sands Murray-Wassink
Location: The home of Sands and Robin, Swammerdamstraat, Amsterdam
Transcription date: 16/1/2021
Transcribed by: Martha Jager

00:00:32
RR: Where do we start? Well, I do have a start, actually. I would find it interesting to hear how Robin is an actual part of Sands’ work. For example, sometimes you are more present in the background with what you do...

00:00:54
RWM: Yeah, that’s mainly what we're talking about, I think. And of course I do a lot for him. I help him when he has to set things up... That’s a little less now, isn’t it? Now that he has four colleagues he works closely with, of which you are one. That is something different, because that whole show in London, eventually... It used to be always... I actually pretty much set up everything. The technical things when he does a presentation or something, I set those up. That is now no longer necessary, because there are now professional people, thanks to If I Can't Dance [ I Don’t Want To Be Part Of Your Revolution] but that is my biggest influence. Except... But you might better voice that – how I influence you? That of course has to do with what we talk about every day.

00:01:39
Sands Murray-Wassink: Yes how do I always phrase that... We are a team. That's how I always say it: we've been together since November 16, 1996. And yes, I have always seen you as very influential because you have taught me a lot about people and also how to look at art and my own work. Because you... How do you say that? Feet or legs on the ground? You keep my feet on the ground.



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  • Catalog No.
  • 01463-2015-PsW2010s-ILoveRobin
  • Title
  • I Love Robin
  • Dimensions
  • 50 x 65
  • Materials
  • Acrylic paint and gouache on paper
  • Object Location
  • Physical

  • Technical Notes

A second painting also on verso.


  • Reflection Notes

Inventorying session + invited archivist (IA) meeting – 15.09.20. “AC’s exact birthdate is the day Robin and I met. It’s all about these convergences.” – SWM. “RWM is my main audience and collaborator.” – SMW.

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  • Catalog No.
  • 01785-c2014-PsW2010s-ShowRobinThatYouLoveHim
  • Title
  • Show Robin That You Love Him
  • Dimensions
  • 50 x 65
  • Materials
  • Acrylic paint on paper
  • Object Location
  • Physical

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  • Catalog No.
  • 01455-1997-DN-BusinessPlan
  • Title
  • Business Plan
  • Dimensions
  • 24.5 x 32
  • Materials
  • Collection of filled bound plastic sleeves in clamp binder
  • Object Location
  • Physical

  • Technical Notes

Created when – as part of the residency process – SMW attempted to become a distribution business; materials a mixture of personal and private, including (to give a sense) – a Metropolis M advertisement that SMW designed for the Ateliers open studios – business plan spreadsheets – a love letter to SMW’s husband Robin.

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Photographer: Radna Rumping

  • Catalog No.
  • 01415-2020-MaPi-ConversationSandsAndRobin-005
  • Title
  • Conversation Sands and Robin
  • Dimensions
  • Variable
  • Materials
  • 5 phone snapshots
  • Object Location
  • Digital

  • Technical Notes

Date: 24.07.20. Location: house Sands and Robin, Swammerdamstraat 4E, Amsterdam. Images taken right after a recorded conversation with Sands and Robin, featuring cat Duman, Robin and Sands on the couch, and self-portrait in mirror of Radna.


  • Reflection Notes

“Living room of SMW and RWM, where the triangle is present again: Carolee, Adrian, Hannah.” – RR.

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  • Catalog No.
  • 01442-1995-D-Coordinates
  • Title
  • Coordinates, Pre-Robin
  • Dimensions
  • 68 x 68
  • Materials
  • Pencil on paper
  • Object Location
  • Physical

  • Reflection Notes

“There’s something conceptual about it as well. I like that.” – SMW.

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Photographer: Robin Wassink-Murray

  • Catalog No.
  • 00121-2009-PSP-BigPumpkinSeries-020
  • Title
  • Big Pumpkin Series
  • Dimensions
  • Variable
  • Materials
  • Live action
  • Object Location
  • Digital

  • Technical Notes

Location: Moen Island, Denmark at Frederikke Hansen’s former house.

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  • Catalog No.
  • 00554-2009-PP-IntimacyAutonomyAfterJoanSemme…
  • Title
  • Intimacy-Autonomy, After Joan Semmel
  • Dimensions
  • Variable (40 x 60)
  • Materials
  • Digital image file
  • Object Location
  • Digital

  • Technical Notes

Location: Sands and Robin’s apartment (Swammerdamstraat). Photographer: self-shot. Shown in an ‘off Pride’ festival in Zürich, Switzerland in 2009.


  • Reflection Notes

From 27. April 2020 (WeTransfer notes): “7 images including the cat (Betsie) on the bed and Robin and my body are an homage series to Joan Semmel’s work ‘Intimacy-Autonomy’ from 1974. She has never seen them (Joan) and probably never will.” – SMW. From 24. March 2020 (in email exchange): “here are the images too (just found them) which were printed fairly large and hung in sequence… i think there was only one image of our former cat Betsie in the sun… … then the Eva Hesse book on the floor and then the three nude images of us in the sun on the bed… … .i am going to start making domestic images again especially now that we are stuck inside! (but with sun, thank goddess!); https://artschaft.com/2018/09/... THIS IS THE JOAN SEMMEL PAINTING IMAGE FROM MY BIRTH YEAR ‘INTIMACY/AUTONOMY’ WHICH I ADDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDORE AND WHICH WE ARE REFERRING TO IN THESE IMAGES :)” – SMW.

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  • Catalog No.
  • 00455-2020-DN-PerduLetter
  • Title
  • Perdu Letter
  • Dimensions
  • 21 x 29.7
  • Materials
  • Color copy of typed letter with drawing and scent card
  • Object Location
  • Physical

  • Technical Notes

Created for ‘The dear…’ series initiated by Martha Jager in Spring 2020.

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  • Catalog No.
  • 02254-c2015-TwA4-WithRobin
  • Title
  • With Robin
  • Dimensions
  • 29.5 x 21
  • Materials
  • Acrylic paint on pages of Gai Pied magazine
  • Object Location
  • Physical

  • Technical Notes

The pages are yellowed and cracked with age. Dutch Curator Erik Hagoort gave SMW a few huge boxes of these French gay liberation magazines from the 80s, and SMW intuitively started painting on them. There are many more than those listed in the archive.


  • Reflection Notes

“I had to throw away a lot of these, there were also Dutch gay liberation magazines in the boxes Erik Hagoort gave me, called ‘De Verkeerde Krant’ or so, (‘van de verkeerde kant’ was a Dutch saying for a queer person) but due to storage I could not keep everything as a resource to use. There are hundreds of these painted drawings, and they get quite a good response. Paul Thek = newspaper paintings, Karen Finley = same as Paul Thek, Erik Hagoort is the partner of Dutch artist Albert van Westing and AA Bronson showed a fondness for the drawings.” – SMW.

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  • Catalog No.
  • 02390-2008-VDoP-TownHall
  • Title
  • Town Hall Philosophical Living Color Drawing
  • Dimensions
  • Variable
  • Materials
  • Digital image file
  • Object Location
  • Digital

  • Technical Notes

Digital image taken from documentation of performance available on Vimeo at: https://vimeo.com/76554268. The performance an homage to Annie Sprinkle and Beth Stephens, as well as Carolee Schneemann, together with Robin Wassink-Murray. The title taken from video documentation of ‘Town Bloody Hall’ (1979) with Jill Johnston and others. Location: Schlachthaus Theatre (Bern, Switzerland). Colour; sound; 48:10 (unedited).


  • Reflection Notes

“Robin and I were in the hotel room when we told Carolee the title of the performance, and she said wryly ‘no one will ever get that.’” – SMW.

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  • 02270-c2015-TwA4-MyOwnLittleWorld
  • Title
  • My own little world
  • Dimensions
  • 29.5 x 21
  • Materials
  • Acrylic paint on pages of Gai Pied magazine
  • Object Location
  • Physical

  • Technical Notes

The pages are yellowed and cracked with age. Dutch Curator Erik Hagoort gave SMW a few huge boxes of these French gay liberation magazines from the 80s, and SMW intuitively started painting on them. There are many more than those listed in the archive.


  • Reflection Notes

“I had to throw away a lot of these, there were also Dutch gay liberation magazines in the boxes Erik Hagoort gave me, called ‘De Verkeerde Krant’ or so, (‘van de verkeerde kant’ was a Dutch saying for a queer person) but due to storage I could not keep everything as a resource to use. There are hundreds of these painted drawings, and they get quite a good response. Paul Thek = newspaper paintings, Karen Finley = same as Paul Thek, Erik Hagoort is the partner of Dutch artist Albert van Westing and AA Bronson showed a fondness for the drawings.” – SMW.

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  • 02302-c2015-TwA4-NotMeantToBeRead
  • Title
  • Not meant to be read
  • Dimensions
  • 29.5 x 21
  • Materials
  • Acrylic paint on pages of Gai Pied magazine
  • Object Location
  • Physical

  • Technical Notes

The pages are yellowed and cracked with age. Dutch Curator Erik Hagoort gave SMW a few huge boxes of these French gay liberation magazines from the 80s, and SMW intuitively started painting on them. There are many more than those listed in the archive.


  • Reflection Notes

“I had to throw away a lot of these, there were also Dutch gay liberation magazines in the boxes Erik Hagoort gave me, called ‘De Verkeerde Krant’ or so, (‘van de verkeerde kant’ was a Dutch saying for a queer person) but due to storage I could not keep everything as a resource to use. There are hundreds of these painted drawings, and they get quite a good response. Paul Thek = newspaper paintings, Karen Finley = same as Paul Thek, Erik Hagoort is the partner of Dutch artist Albert van Westing and AA Bronson showed a fondness for the drawings.” – SMW.

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  • 02334-c2015-TwA4-StirringThingsUp
  • Title
  • Stirring Things Up
  • Dimensions
  • 29.5 x 21
  • Materials
  • Acrylic paint on pages of Gai Pied magazine
  • Object Location
  • Physical

  • Technical Notes

The pages are yellowed and cracked with age. Dutch Curator Erik Hagoort gave SMW a few huge boxes of these French gay liberation magazines from the 80s, and SMW intuitively started painting on them. There are many more than those listed in the archive.


  • Reflection Notes

“I had to throw away a lot of these, there were also Dutch gay liberation magazines in the boxes Erik Hagoort gave me, called ‘De Verkeerde Krant’ or so, (‘van de verkeerde kant’ was a Dutch saying for a queer person) but due to storage I could not keep everything as a resource to use. There are hundreds of these painted drawings, and they get quite a good response. Paul Thek = newspaper paintings, Karen Finley = same as Paul Thek, Erik Hagoort is the partner of Dutch artist Albert van Westing and AA Bronson showed a fondness for the drawings.” – SMW.

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Photographer: Robin Wassink-Murray

  • Catalog No.
  • 00102-2009-PSP-BigPumpkinSeries-001
  • Title
  • Big Pumpkin Series
  • Dimensions
  • Variable
  • Materials
  • Live action
  • Object Location
  • Digital

  • Technical Notes

Location: Moen Island, Denmark at Frederikke Hansen’s former house.


  • Reflection Notes

“Those images were taken at a good friend’s house on the island of Moen in Denmark. My friend was in the house while Robin and I took those photos. My friend is a curator and her girlfriend is an artist. I invited her girlfriend to join me in the images but she declined. I am not sure what this meant. She is also a body artist.” – SMW.

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Photographer: Robin Wassink-Murray

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  • 00134-2009-PSP-BigPumpkinSeries-033
  • Title
  • Big Pumpkin Series
  • Dimensions
  • Variable
  • Materials
  • Live action
  • Object Location
  • Digital

  • Technical Notes

Location: Moen Island, Denmark at Frederikke Hansen’s former house.

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Photographer: Robin Wassink-Murray

  • Catalog No.
  • 00166-2009-PSP-BigPumpkinSeries-065
  • Title
  • Big Pumpkin Series
  • Dimensions
  • Variable
  • Materials
  • Live action
  • Object Location
  • Digital

  • Technical Notes

Location: Moen Island, Denmark at Frederikke Hansen’s former house.


  • Reflection Notes

“I want to be like a tree, a flower, the sky, clouds, etc. grass.” – SMW.

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Photographer: Robin Wassink-Murray

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  • 00466-2002-PP-ElkeSandsEqualitiesEquivalence…
  • Title
  • Elke & Sands: Equalities, Equivalences
  • Dimensions
  • Variable
  • Materials
  • Live action
  • Object Location
  • Digital

  • Technical Notes

Location: Sands and Robin’s old flat (Halmaheirastraat studio, Amsterdam).


  • Reflection Notes

9 april 2020 (WeTransfer notes): “Okay, here are some of the most important works I’ve ever made: ‘Elke & Sands: Equalities, Equivalences’ from 2002 in a series of images taken by Robin in an old flat of ours in my studio there. It’s a wonder these ever were taken and I still love them.” – SMW.

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Photographer: Robin Wassink-Murray

  • Catalog No.
  • 00498-2002-PP-ElkeSandsEqualitiesEquivalence…
  • Title
  • Elke & Sands: Equalities, Equivalences
  • Dimensions
  • Variable
  • Materials
  • Live action
  • Object Location
  • Digital

  • Technical Notes

Location: Sands and Robin’s old flat (Halmaheirastraat studio, Amsterdam).


  • Reflection Notes

9 april 2020 (WeTransfer notes): “Okay, here are some of the most important works I’ve ever made: ‘Elke & Sands: Equalities, Equivalences’ from 2002 in a series of images taken by Robin in an old flat of ours in my studio there. It’s a wonder these ever were taken and I still love them.” – SMW.

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Photographer: Robin Wassink-Murray

  • Catalog No.
  • 00558-2010-CP-WithSarahLucasInBrussels-04
  • Title
  • With Sarah Lucas in Brussels
  • Dimensions
  • Variable
  • Materials
  • Digital images to be printed as photographs
  • Object Location
  • Digital

  • Technical Notes

Location: Barbara Gladstone Gallery, Brussels, Belgium.


  • Reflection Notes

From 14. April 2020 (email exchange): “Sarah makes ‘bunnies’ (sculptures she calls… ) so the bunny ears are funny.” – SMW.

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  • Catalog No.
  • 01178-1995-PSP-IdentityShots-009
  • Title
  • Identity Shots: Before Robin, After Hannah Wilke
  • Dimensions
  • 20 x 30
  • Materials
  • Black and white photo print
  • Object Location
  • Physical

  • Technical Notes

Edition of 60 performalist self-portraits self-shot with a timer by the artist and archivally stored with floral silk textile.

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Photographer: Robin Wassink-Murray

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  • 00590-2009-PSP-TryoutMasculinityVenusEnvySho…
  • Title
  • Tryout Masculinity Venus Envy Shots (Sands and Peter)
  • Dimensions
  • Variable
  • Materials
  • Variable
  • Object Location
  • Digital

  • Technical Notes

Location: Peter Brandt’s Apartment Copenhagen, Denmark (21 August 2009). Images by: Double Performalist Self Portraits together with Robin Wassink-Murray.


  • Reflection Notes

8 april 2020 (WeTransfer notes): “‘Tryout Masculinity Venus Envy Shots’ by me and www.peter-brandt.com in Copenhagen taken by Robin on this same trip to Denmark in 2009. Robin took these in Peter’s studio in his apartment. I’ve broken my friendship with Peter for various reasons which we can talk about. But these pictures are the only pix I have with another male body artist of this nature.” – SMW.

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  • Catalog No.
  • 01210-1995-PSP-IdentityShots-041
  • Title
  • Identity Shots: Before Robin, After Hannah Wilke
  • Dimensions
  • 20 x 30
  • Materials
  • Black and white photo print
  • Object Location
  • Physical

  • Technical Notes

Edition of 60 performalist self-portraits self-shot with a timer by the artist and archivally stored with floral silk textile.

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  • 01466-2015-PsW2010s-WasThatIntentional?
  • Title
  • Was That Intentional?
  • Dimensions
  • 43 x 60
  • Materials
  • Acrylic paint and gouache on exhibition poster
  • Object Location
  • Physical

  • Technical Notes

Verso: exhibition poster from ‘Does Not Equal’ at W139 (design by Karoline Swiezynski). SMW work in the exhibition: Carolee Schneemann Methodology: My Body for Women/ Paintings With the Sound of Their Own Making/Carolee Schneemann as a Painter/Dedicated to Robin Wassink-Murray + Miss Lady Betsie Bubble + WASSINQUE INC. Our Little Feminist Unit.


  • Reflection Notes

“It was such an uncomfortable experience. It was 9 o’clock in the morning and no one wanted to be photographed. The photographer started crying.” – SMW.

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Photographer: Robin Wassink-Murray

  • Catalog No.
  • 01528-2012-DoE-Oprecht/Sincere10
  • Title
  • Oprecht/Sincere
  • Dimensions
  • Variable
  • Materials
  • Digital image files
  • Object Location
  • Digital

  • Technical Notes

SMW solo exhibition at Cokkie Snoei Gallery, Rotterdam (2012).

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Photographer: Robin Wassink-Murray

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  • 01766-2021-DoP-InGoodCompany10
  • Title
  • In Good Company (Horsepower): Materials from the Gift Science Archive
  • Dimensions
  • Variable
  • Materials
  • Live action
  • Object Location
  • Digital

  • Technical Notes

Photos from the virtual opening of SMW solo exhibition at mistral, Amsterdam (2021). The exhibition opens up the process of the ‘monumental’ 18-month collaborative performance Gift Science Archive (GSA) to the public for haptic engagements with the artist’s working and archiving processes. Visitors are invited to peruse the GSA archive database and to pull materials from the collection for a closer look and, over a cup, for a story. The ‘research experience’ is thus set into relational motion, by conversations – a central part of Murray-Wassink’s practice. Co-curated by Megan Hoetger (If I Can’t Dance) together with Radna Rumping and Huib Haye van der Werf (mistral).

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