CAROLEE often asked herself and her public: “is this good for Vulva?”. Is this good for women, for non-binary people, for oppressed bodies? Sands put a spin on her proverbial phrase in order to address his own gay/queer paradigm against the heteronormative structures he grew up with in Topeka (Kansas), the ones he studied alongside with at the Pratt Institute (NY), and the ones that pushed their way into his luggage all the way to his Amsterdam apartment.
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You might laugh the first time you hear it… but just distance yourself from dick-centrism for a second. The almost-not-quite-but-all-too tangible consciousness of the vagina/anus plagued the INTERGENERATIONAL layers of conversation during the weekly Gift Science Archive archiving sessions: a ghostly reminder of the way sexuality practically swims through the archive like a mermaid on a deadly-tasty endeavor, the repetition of the ‘gay gay gay’ as a world structure and a stuttering prophetic chant… The anus seems to die and rise again in the database, as the favourite part of the body but also as a core part of the labour, an epicenter to desire becoming epistemic effort. Ask yourself: what does a pussy or an anus want, what do they need and crave, and how can we give into their DREAMS? – AC.
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Digital registration of semi-public first nude performance in the ‘BOYS: The Construction of Masculinities’ group exhibition at Shedhalle, Zürich.
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“That’s how I feel mostly, when I’m working – like I’m in a club.” – SMW. “Being on the receiving end of pleasure.” – AC. “This is why I’ve been so fixated in bottomness. It’s not common. Gay men always identified on the top side.” – SMW.
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Digital image taken from documentation of performance available on Vimeo at: https://vimeo.com/76554268. The performance an homage to Annie Sprinkle and Beth Stephens, as well as Carolee Schneemann, together with Robin Wassink-Murray. The title taken from video documentation of ‘Town Bloody Hall’ (1979) with Jill Johnston and others. Location: Schlachthaus Theatre (Bern, Switzerland). Colour; sound; 48:10 (unedited).
“Robin and I were in the hotel room when we told Carolee the title of the performance, and she said wryly ‘no one will ever get that.’” – SMW.
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Key piece, repeated in relation to Carolee Schneemann and also in the ‘Metropolis M’ 2020 featured publication.
Gift Science Archive meeting – 20.08.20. “Carolee used to say: is this good for vulva? I ask ‘is this good for anus?’” – SMW.
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Created during spring 2020 lockdown and only work to be assembled (glued to canvas) in the Rijks studio.
SMW & AC inventorying session – 08.10.20. “My work is quite flat, almost reductive or stripped down. It’s not a negative thing.” – SMW.
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Email exchange – 12.04.20. “I had to document it all, even with others, partners, etc. because gay pornography figures and has figured in my life so I have to put my own body where I see the bodies of others…” – SMW.
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“We are moving quite fast today.” – SMW. “Look at us, masters of the archiving craft.” – AC. “Capitalising on the mystery of maybe being non-hetero.” – AC.
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“Having history is worth something.” – SMW. “It feels good to have a thicker skin… you would think caring less would be worse but it isn’t.” – SMW.
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The extended second process event in the three-part series featured an epistolary exchange between the artist and Bilbao-based curator Aimar Arriola. The exchange took place between June 2020 and February 2021, and – in process – was shared in www.ificantdance.studio between December 2020 and April 2021. From the ificantdance.studio: “Dipping in and out of a slow-time conversation between an artist and curator. To be read, whether chronologically or not, in an intimate space during moments alone”. – MH.
“El ano tuyo. After much activity at the start of the fall season, things quiet down through October. The exchange picks up again about one week into November, beginning with a series of photos of Aimar emerging from el ano tuyo [your anus], a narrow passageway marking the end of a cave in the Basque municipality of Tuyo [yours]. El ano tuyo, as you could imagine, opens onto a discussion of sexual pleasure zones and control, which implicitly leads us back to the topic of queer form—as Sands suggests in his response to Aimar’s rite-of-passage photos, his work about sex is all painting, all ‘one big gestural stroke’. Here Sands disappointment with the rejection of an invitation to Adrian Piper mixes together with a discussion of control as lifelong sculpting process and the formal (or, perhaps, informe or formless) possibilities of the orgasmic encounter—sexual, textual and otherwise. The chapter closes with a 20-page essay by art historian Kathy Wentrack written on the occasion of the 2001 exhibition Double Trouble: Carolee Schneemann and Sands Murray-Wassink. In it, Wentrack traces the shared aspects of Sands’ and Carolee’s art/life practices, particularly their shared commitment to using lived experience as the basis for creative production. Wentrack’s text is an important reference point in the the development of a narrative linking second wave feminism with third wave queer (male) feminisms. Following the essay, Sands shares one last image, perhaps to make Wentrack’s point more palpable, more present: If we began with el ano tuyo, we end with a gold-plated vulva.” – MH studio note from ificantdance.studio.
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8 strips were originally made; one strip is now with the Estate of Carolee Schneemann and one strip is in the personal collection of A.A. Bronson.
“The images were taken by Rudy Rijling in Amsterdam, an (at that time) older than me erotic photographer of young men whose ad I found in the back of a contact magazine. I had just gotten back from Greece with De Ateliers on a residency trip and because of the weather difference I had a very heavy red rash on the insides of my thighs. Luckily on black and white film this does not really show up. I had wanted to make this wallpaper in 1997 for my first exhibit ever at Stedelijk Museum Bureau Amsterdam but one of the curators, Martijn van Nieuwenhuyzen (a gay man himself) advised 23 year old me against it, saying I would become known as the ‘guy with the erect penis’. Carolee Schneemann told me never to be ashamed of pleasure and how the body shows it. So I was confused, but listened to him and then in 2007, ten years later, at a solo exhibit in Munich at Lothringer 13, finally had the opportunity to have the wallpaper made. I had tried to become a gay porno model, but only half-heartedly. I went back to Rudy later to ask for the negatives which he gave me, we also had sex a few times at some point. It’s one of the first times I realized that much older men were attractive to me…There were 8 strips of wallpaper and they were never glued, they exist as unique objects. I have to add and I don’t really like to, it gives me no great pleasure, that part of the idea of the wallpaper came from Andy Warhol’s Cow series of wallpaper and other series of his. But there could have been other influences this was not an exclusive influence.” – SMW.
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The pages are yellowed and cracked with age. Dutch Curator Erik Hagoort gave SMW a few huge boxes of these French gay liberation magazines from the 80s, and SMW intuitively started painting on them. There are many more than those listed in the archive.
“I had to throw away a lot of these, there were also Dutch gay liberation magazines in the boxes Erik Hagoort gave me, called ‘De Verkeerde Krant’ or so, (‘van de verkeerde kant’ was a Dutch saying for a queer person) but due to storage I could not keep everything as a resource to use. There are hundreds of these painted drawings, and they get quite a good response. Paul Thek = newspaper paintings, Karen Finley = same as Paul Thek, Erik Hagoort is the partner of Dutch artist Albert van Westing and AA Bronson showed a fondness for the drawings.” – SMW.
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Listings connecting to the keyword “Is this good for anus?” (823)
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2013
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Location: Swammerdamstraat Apartment Amsterdam, various locations.
‘Official Ugly Face Folder’ (2013) — from 12. April 2020 (WeTransfer notes): “It’s a mixed bag, but could be kept together in the archive and labelled as such (‘Ugly Face Folder’). It’s all subjective, what seems ugly when one looks at oneself. This was an attempt at ‘control’ almost by calling the images ugly I could somehow ameliorate the ‘ugliness’ I felt looking at them.” – SMW.
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2013
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Location: Swammerdamstraat Apartment Amsterdam, various locations.
‘Official Ugly Face Folder’ (2013) — from 12. April 2020 (WeTransfer notes): “It’s a mixed bag, but could be kept together in the archive and labelled as such (‘Ugly Face Folder’). It’s all subjective, what seems ugly when one looks at oneself. This was an attempt at ‘control’ almost by calling the images ugly I could somehow ameliorate the ‘ugliness’ I felt looking at them.” – SMW.
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2013
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Location: Swammerdamstraat Apartment Amsterdam, various locations.
‘Official Ugly Face Folder’ (2013) — from 12. April 2020 (WeTransfer notes): “It’s a mixed bag, but could be kept together in the archive and labelled as such (‘Ugly Face Folder’). It’s all subjective, what seems ugly when one looks at oneself. This was an attempt at ‘control’ almost by calling the images ugly I could somehow ameliorate the ‘ugliness’ I felt looking at them.” – SMW.
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Working 2000
Kate Millet
2000
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Performalist…
1995/2007
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8 strips were originally made; one strip is now with the Estate of Carolee Schneemann and one strip is in the personal collection of A.A. Bronson.
“The images were taken by Rudy Rijling in Amsterdam, an (at that time) older than me erotic photographer of young men whose ad I found in the back of a contact magazine. I had just gotten back from Greece with De Ateliers on a residency trip and because of the weather difference I had a very heavy red rash on the insides of my thighs. Luckily on black and white film this does not really show up. I had wanted to make this wallpaper in 1997 for my first exhibit ever at Stedelijk Museum Bureau Amsterdam but one of the curators, Martijn van Nieuwenhuyzen (a gay man himself) advised 23 year old me against it, saying I would become known as the ‘guy with the erect penis’. Carolee Schneemann told me never to be ashamed of pleasure and how the body shows it. So I was confused, but listened to him and then in 2007, ten years later, at a solo exhibit in Munich at Lothringer 13, finally had the opportunity to have the wallpaper made. I had tried to become a gay porno model, but only half-heartedly. I went back to Rudy later to ask for the negatives which he gave me, we also had sex a few times at some point. It’s one of the first times I realized that much older men were attractive to me…There were 8 strips of wallpaper and they were never glued, they exist as unique objects. I have to add and I don’t really like to, it gives me no great pleasure, that part of the idea of the wallpaper came from Andy Warhol’s Cow series of wallpaper and other series of his. But there could have been other influences this was not an exclusive influence.” – SMW.
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02229-c201…
Thought works
Gai Pied drawings
A.A. Bronson, Albert van…
c. 2015
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The pages are yellowed and cracked with age. Dutch Curator Erik Hagoort gave SMW a few huge boxes of these French gay liberation magazines from the 80s, and SMW intuitively started painting on them. There are many more than those listed in the archive.
“I had to throw away a lot of these, there were also Dutch gay liberation magazines in the boxes Erik Hagoort gave me, called ‘De Verkeerde Krant’ or so, (‘van de verkeerde kant’ was a Dutch saying for a queer person) but due to storage I could not keep everything as a resource to use. There are hundreds of these painted drawings, and they get quite a good response. Paul Thek = newspaper paintings, Karen Finley = same as Paul Thek, Erik Hagoort is the partner of Dutch artist Albert van Westing and AA Bronson showed a fondness for the drawings.” – SMW.
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Thought works
Rolled painting
2012
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Rijksakademie Internal Open Studios – 07.09.20. “You know you know it, you just don’t know how you know it.” – AC. “Or you don’t trust that you know it, cause we have been told not to trust those feelings.” – Anon. “When are we allowed to trust any feelings?” – AC.
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c. 2001
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Working 2000
c. 2001
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Distributed notes
Aimar Arriola
2020-2021
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The extended second process event in the three-part series featured an epistolary exchange between the artist and Bilbao-based curator Aimar Arriola. The exchange took place between June 2020 and February 2021, and – in process – was shared in www.ificantdance.studio between December 2020 and April 2021. From the ificantdance.studio: “Dipping in and out of a slow-time conversation between an artist and curator. To be read, whether chronologically or not, in an intimate space during moments alone”. – MH.
“Starting Relationships in Pandemic Times. This, in truth, is a conversation largely, though not exclusively, carried out via emails that began on 10 June 2020. As we considered how we could continue working on Sands Murray-Wassink’s ambitious durational project Gift Science Archive, the looming realities of restricted travel and gathering weighed heavy in our minds. Crucial to Murray-Wassink and his collaborators’ performance of archiving/auto-archived performance is dialogue—indeed, the messy relationality of intrapersonal exchange is an organising principle for ‘the archive’ of Gift Science Archive.Following ‘Process Event #1: VALUE. What is trash? What is trashy but valuable?’ on 6 March 2020 (just one week before the lockdown in The Netherlands began), we were keen to start thinking toward a second process event that would highlight another keyword in the project and in Murray-Wassink’s practice more broadly: relationships. But this second process event went on hold along with everything else, first for a month, then for two and, in the end, for 81 days. From this nearly three months of lockdown grew the idea for an epistolary exchange, which was initiated by an invitation to Bilbao-based curator Aimar Arriola with whom If I Can’t Dance had previously worked in the frame of the 2008–2010 Edition III — Masquerade. The invitation read:Given your work on projects like the AIDS anarchive, as well as your numerous other curatorial and writing initiatives around queer visibility politics, we couldn’t think of a better person to invite for a conversation on the performance(s) of archiving.The event we initially had in mind was an in-person conversation that would have been held in the Rijksakademie studio/archive depot here in Amsterdam where Sands and I have been developing the project together with two other collaborators (Radna Rumping who is working with Sands on a meta-archive that documents the archiving process, and Amalia Calderón who is performing the roles of archivist and researcher in the archive as she inventories and reflects upon the materials uncovered). Such an event no longer seems possible or desirable at this historical juncture, and yet a conversation between you and Sands on these topics feels just as resonant as ever. With that in mind, we want to invite you to a conversation that would take place in a different spatial and temporal frame. What we have in mind is a dialogue that unfolds over the summer (stretching roughly from the end of June through the September) via emails and/or written letters in which you and Sands can share elements of your practices and address orienting questions on the above-cited themes (as a “moderator” of sorts, I could provide a few prompts to begin). This exchange would begin in late June with a letter from Sands, which he is developing as part of a mail art project with Foundation Perdu, a poetry bookshop and theatre space that has long been at the center of Amsterdam’s experimental arts scene. Sands’ letter would be a first introduction to his practice, and, we hope, could prompt some first responses from you. I must emphasize that this format is an experiment in event programming, as well as in feeling our way through other forms of intimacy. We at If I Can’t Dance are very eager to begin thinking how intimacy unfolds in different spaces and along different timelines; in particular, in the era of the coronavirus when so much of our lives seem to be moving so quickly online, we are keen to think together with our artist commissions and others in the arts how digital space might be a tool to slow things down rather than speed them up. Arriola graciously accepted. Another month or so passed. In late June Murray-Wassink’s Perdu letter went out. About one week later the conversation began. With time, the exchange has taken on the sub-title “Feminist Legacies, Queer Intimacies” These four keywords—feminist, legacies, queer, intimacies—are guiding terms that hold different resonance for Aimar and Sands. If for Sands ‘queer’ is a stumbling block, for Aimar intimacies is more difficult: How does queer mean? What does it have to do with sexuality? With sexual orientation? What is intimate but not necessarily private? What is intimacy without sexual contact? What would collective intimacy feel like? Such questions do not necessarily surface in the letters directly. Like a lot of the feelings or life questions that drive our calls and responses to one another, they appear between the commas and in other pauses of the breath.” – MH studio note from ificantdance.studio.
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01823-2002…
Photographs
Documentation of…
2002
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Digital registration of semi-public first nude performance in the ‘BOYS: The Construction of Masculinities’ group exhibition at Shedhalle, Zürich.
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02261-c201…
Thought works
Gai Pied drawings
A.A. Bronson, Albert van…
c. 2015
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The pages are yellowed and cracked with age. Dutch Curator Erik Hagoort gave SMW a few huge boxes of these French gay liberation magazines from the 80s, and SMW intuitively started painting on them. There are many more than those listed in the archive.
“I had to throw away a lot of these, there were also Dutch gay liberation magazines in the boxes Erik Hagoort gave me, called ‘De Verkeerde Krant’ or so, (‘van de verkeerde kant’ was a Dutch saying for a queer person) but due to storage I could not keep everything as a resource to use. There are hundreds of these painted drawings, and they get quite a good response. Paul Thek = newspaper paintings, Karen Finley = same as Paul Thek, Erik Hagoort is the partner of Dutch artist Albert van Westing and AA Bronson showed a fondness for the drawings.” – SMW.
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Thought works
Gai Pied drawings
A.A. Bronson, Albert van…
c. 2015
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The pages are yellowed and cracked with age. Dutch Curator Erik Hagoort gave SMW a few huge boxes of these French gay liberation magazines from the 80s, and SMW intuitively started painting on them. There are many more than those listed in the archive.
“I had to throw away a lot of these, there were also Dutch gay liberation magazines in the boxes Erik Hagoort gave me, called ‘De Verkeerde Krant’ or so, (‘van de verkeerde kant’ was a Dutch saying for a queer person) but due to storage I could not keep everything as a resource to use. There are hundreds of these painted drawings, and they get quite a good response. Paul Thek = newspaper paintings, Karen Finley = same as Paul Thek, Erik Hagoort is the partner of Dutch artist Albert van Westing and AA Bronson showed a fondness for the drawings.” – SMW.
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Thought works
Gai Pied drawings
A.A. Bronson, Albert van…
c. 2015
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The pages are yellowed and cracked with age. Dutch Curator Erik Hagoort gave SMW a few huge boxes of these French gay liberation magazines from the 80s, and SMW intuitively started painting on them. There are many more than those listed in the archive.
“I had to throw away a lot of these, there were also Dutch gay liberation magazines in the boxes Erik Hagoort gave me, called ‘De Verkeerde Krant’ or so, (‘van de verkeerde kant’ was a Dutch saying for a queer person) but due to storage I could not keep everything as a resource to use. There are hundreds of these painted drawings, and they get quite a good response. Paul Thek = newspaper paintings, Karen Finley = same as Paul Thek, Erik Hagoort is the partner of Dutch artist Albert van Westing and AA Bronson showed a fondness for the drawings.” – SMW.
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