c. 2002

“Where is Adrian?” – AC.

“As far as I’m concerned, everyone’s an artist.” – SMW. “I want to take the time and listen to all of your voices.” – AC.

Inventorying session + invited archivist (IA) meeting – 15.09.20. “How far can the archive reach in the world?” – AC.

“When do we become… an adult or anything else?” – AC. “It wasn’t about youth, it was about experience. I used to say ‘I’m 21, I’m 21’, and my friends would say ‘What will you say when you are 46?’ ‘I’m 46, I’m 46’.” – SMW.

“That is Betsy, our old cat. People always thought she was pregnant, but she just had a quite voluptuous body.” – SMW. “Normalise all cat bodies.” – AC.

“If they encounter suffering, if it ain’t pretty… Someone said about Carolee’s work that it was not made to make you comfortable.” – SMW. “Art is never made for comfort. Quite the opposite. It’ s a quest for unknown things.” – AC. “And change.” – SMW. “They think ‘I just pull out’. Wonderful! Heterosexual practices and their fantasy of safety…” – AC.

Rijksakademie Internal Open Studios – 07.09.20. “My relationship with money is disastrous.” – SMW. “If you show them [galleries, museums, employers in general] that they can do that to you, they will do it to everyone. We need to get paid for the hours that we put in, not the product. My salary per hour is X much, as per X Artist Association guidelines.” – N/A.

Rijksakademie Internal Open Studios – 07.09.20. “… a crash course on pricing artwork.” – N/A. “I always try to counteract. What is the actual value of a piece of paper?” – SMW. “I think I am a bit punky inside my head.” – SMW.

“I want to be a public sexual intellectual.” – SMW. “The second best thing to sex is talking about it.” – AC.

On beauty normativities – “Is it Vogue 2020 or is it Vogue 2000s. – AC. “Or Vogue 1960s!” – SMW.