c. 2002

Rijksakademie Internal Open Studios – 07.09.20. “My relationship with money is disastrous.” – SMW. “If you show them [galleries, museums, employers in general] that they can do that to you, they will do it to everyone. We need to get paid for the hours that we put in, not the product. My salary per hour is X much, as per X Artist Association guidelines.” – N/A.

“If they encounter suffering, if it ain’t pretty… Someone said about Carolee’s work that it was not made to make you comfortable.” – SMW. “Art is never made for comfort. Quite the opposite. It’ s a quest for unknown things.” – AC. “And change.” – SMW. “They think ‘I just pull out’. Wonderful! Heterosexual practices and their fantasy of safety…” – AC.

“That is Betsy, our old cat. People always thought she was pregnant, but she just had a quite voluptuous body.” – SMW. “Normalise all cat bodies.” – AC.